What is Going on Between Barstool Sports and Call Her Daddy?

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Creating a blog post because my tweets are on rolling 60 day autodelete. This post is taken from multiple tweetstorm about Call Her Daddy and Barstool Sports.

What is Call Her Daddy?

  • Call Her Daddy is a podcast hosted by Alexandra Cooper and Sofia Franklyn

  • It talks about sex and relationships with a target audience of young women

  • It's the #17 podcast in the US

  • 80 episodes since Dec. 2018

Why Do People Listen To It?

  • It's built a loyal following which calls itself the #daddygang

  • It talks about a forbidden topic: sex

  • It's powered by one of the most powerful marketing machines in the world: Barstool Sports 

Why Did the Show Stop?

  • The show hasn't aired since April 8th

  • Barstool and the Call Her Daddy hosts are locked in a contract dispute

  • It has leaked into the press with the NY Post covering it recently

Why Is There a Dispute?

  • The hosts make around ~$500K ($70K base salary + rest in performance-based bonuses)

  • The hosts wanted to renegotiate their contract despite being on a 3 year deal with more than a year left 

What Did Barstool Say?

  • Barstool is happy to renegotiate contracts because it means the podcast is successful

  • They started the negotiations in good faith but then heard Call Her Daddy was shopping around to other networks 

What Were the Demands?

  • $1MM guaranteed salary

  • Hosts wanted to be freelancers instead of employees

  • 50% of Barstool merchandise revenue goes to hosts and hosts can produce their own merchandise

  • Sofia and Alex own the name Call Her Daddy 

David Portnoy’s Response

  • Dave Portnoy balked at the demands but wanted to figure out a way to get a reasonable deal done

  • Barstool wanted to start doing new episodes because they were losing $100K in advertising fees per episode

What Was the Counter-Offer?

  • $500K guaranteed salary plus performance bonuses

  • Reduce the length of their contract by 6 months

  • Sofia and Alex will own Call Her Daddy IP

  • 7.5% royalty stream on merchandise

  • 80% ownership in Call Her Daddy alcohol 

The Dispute Between Alex and Sofia

  • Sofia's BF is Peter Nelson, an HBO executive.

  • He was openly shopping the show to other networks

  • He openly hates Barstool Sports and sponsored a hit piece on them in June 2019

Deal with Wondery

  • Peter got them a deal with the podcast network Wondery

  • They were going to get sued if they signed and were trying to come up with a loophole to escape the contract

  • Alex decided she wanted to do a deal with Barstool and Sofia didn't want to join 

The New Deal with Barstool

  • Alex would start her own show and get 75% while Barstool owned 25%

  • Sofia was offered her own show with $500K guaranteed

  • Instead, Sofia reneged and is now planning on suing Barstool and Alex 

Erika Nardini Speaks

  • On the Token CEO podcast, Erika talks about how important Barstool's role was in launching Call Her Daddy

  • Barstool finds great talent and "pours gasoline on them to make their brand explode"

Why Is Peter Nelson Involved?

  • Why is an HBO executive shopping around his GF's podcast instead of doing his job?

  • Is he trying to become their manager or take a role in the show? 

HBO's Role

  • HBO is owned by AT&T and has a notoriously conservative brand

  • HBO is shifting from linear to OTT

  • This is embarrassing for HBO because it looks like their executive is dragging them into an unnecessary PR nightmare 

What Are The Next Steps?

  • Barstool wants to get a deal done, but it appears like Sofia doesn't and continues to move the goalposts

  • It's unclear if Alex will do her own show on Barstool 

What is Intellectual Property?

  • 4 types of IP: trademark, copyright, trade secret, and patent

  • Barstool Sports cares the most about trademarks and copyright

Why is IP important?

  • Value that is accrued in a brand is accrued in the IP

  • Barstool cares the most about owning the brand

  • They invest millions in marketing, resources and time to build a brand so logically they should also own it

Why Do Companies Protect IP?

  • If a company doesn't own their IP, they can't profit off of the brand

  • IP law is the foundation for protecting a brand and companies will go to extreme lengths to protect it

  • A trademark establishes a clear relationship between a brand and it's owner

  • No else can launch under that brand

  • Barstool Sports is owned by Barstool Sports and no one else can profit off of it

The NFL Enforcement Example

  • The NFL is known to go to extreme lengths for protecting trademarks

  • They threatened to sue Shopify by making vague claims about a merchant using the word Super Bowl for a parody product

What is a Strong Trademark?

  • Brand and name is really unique

  • Think Nike, Google, Adidas

  • No descriptive words are used to describe it

What is a Weak Trademark?

  • Descriptive words are used to describe it

  • For example, you can't trademark Vodka Soda Drink, but you can trademark Call Her Daddy Vodka

Coca-Cola Example

  • Sometimes a brand becomes so valuable you can't even use the name for another product category

  • For example, Coca-Cola is a beverage, but you couldn't receive a trademark for Coca-Cola cleaning supplies because someone would think you are using the drink

Generic Trademarks

  • Sometimes a brand becomes so powerful, it becomes generic

  • Aspirin, dry ice, and elevators are examples of this phenomenon

  • Brands will spend millions to prevent this.

Trademarks Are About Branding

  • Who they are?

  • What they stand for?

  • How people and brands interact with them?

Barstool is an IP company

  • Barstool thinks of itself like Disney or Viacom

  • These companies make billions off of products associated with their brands

  • Disney amusement parks generated $7B in revenue in 2019

The Importance of Branding

  • Brands should stand for something

  • If you see a high-end brand in a low-end store or vice versa, you make a judgment

  • Barstool Sports cares deeply about its brands and who is associated with them

Sofia's IG Story

  • The podcast idea originated in March 2018

  • Alex and Sofia were best friends and roommates

  • Barstool was instrumental in making it popular

Why Is She Exploring Options?

  • Wanted to consider other options

  • One reason is the benefit of #DaddyGang

  • She didn't explain what this means and I think it's just an excuse

Current Situation

  • She regrets how it went down

  • Still wants to work something out

  • She doesn't mention Peter Nelson (Suitman)

Her Relationship With Alex

  • Alex did something "fucked up" (doesn't explain what it is)

  • She feels betrayed and wouldn't do a show with Alex under current circumstances

  • Claims Alex is trying to control the show and doesn't want to be her employee

Final Comments From Her

  • The show was always 50/50 (not true and technically speaking it's 100% owned by Barstool)

  • She loves the #daddygang and says they are a family

Dave Portnoy Responds

  • He expects a lawsuit

  • Her IG story said nothing

  • He mentions how she said nothing about Peter Nelson

  • He believes they are giving amazing deal and "suitman" is preventing a deal from happening

  • They had no preferences on who they did deal with, but the cards played out that they are talking to Alex

  • He is still open to giving Sofia a podcast

Final Thoughts

  • Barstool and Dave Portnoy are clearly winning in the public eye and are getting tons of free press in the process

  • Sofia's response was inauthentic, clearly rehearsed and if anything damaged her brand

Alex Resigns with Barstool Sports and Explains Why Sofia Isn’t Joining

Check out Barstool Sports for more: http://www.barstoolsports.com Listen to the Call Her Daddy Podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/my/podcast/call-her-daddy/id...

Why Did I Spend Many Hours Writing This?

  • Call Her Daddy has revenue in the eight figures

  • Podcasts are an integral part of most media businesses and this is one of the few times I've seen the inner-workings of a podcast business 


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